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    Bosch MED9.1

    hi guys, I open this discussion with the objective of getting to know and learn the Bosch MED9.1
    I know it's not ? easy thing, but ? gi? by a p? that I am studying and I would like to begin to share with you that for now I understand, and not ? said that what am thinking is correct
    I appeal to the experts, maybe for some straight and confirmation, both beginners who would like to explore the topic and maybe they are available to any test
    in particular, I would like to be able, in small steps, to map my car, fitted with engine 2.0 TFSI

    first of all, I am attaching the file that I am studying, I would say to refer to this during the discussion, I do not know? which car belongs

    File Studio MED9.zip

    in fact, the MED9.1 inherits from ME7 most of the logical and of the names of the maps that user?, a big difference ? the management of the direct-injection, and then the high-pressure pump and of the corresponding rail
    unfortunately, not knowing the ME7 I had to start from scratch in this study

    let's start with the maps pedal
    in fact, if you do not want to vary the response of the pedal should not be touched

    1CAD50 KFPED
    map pedal true, 2 similar
    16-bit
    size 12x16
    x = value * 0,25 = g/min
    y = value * 0,001526 = % pedal position
    z = value * 0,003052 = % torque request
    1CB652 breakpoint x
    1CB66C breakpoint y

    1CB050 KFPEDL
    map pedal for low speed, probably for low gears, 3 related
    the same conversions and the breakpoint of the previous

    1CB4D0 KFPEDR
    map the pedal for reverse
    the same conversions and the breakpoint of the previous

    now, let's see the maps related to the pressure of the turbocharger
    these ECU's did not have the management of the turbo as a function of pressure, but are based on the specific load in %
    this parameter represents the ratio between the mass of air in the cylinder and that it would be contained in the same volume in the environmental conditions (the cio? with density? environment)
    then a specific load of 200% means that in the cylinder ? request (or ? present) a mass of air equal to the double of the one that would contain the cylinder itself
    this formula converts the specific load pressure of the turbo

    pressure = (load %) * 10 + 300 = mbar absolute

    ? note that this formula is an approximation and subject to the conditions of operation may not provide a real value

    the maps in question are

    1CBAF2 KFMIRL
    map the desired load, converts the request torque data from the pedal in load demand, specific
    16-bit
    size 12x16
    x = value * 0,001526 = % torque with respect to the maximum
    y = value * 0,25 = g/min
    z = value * 0,023438 = load % specific

    1CBCAE KFMIRLS
    variant of the previous operating in the stratified charge, it is not used and may not be present

    1CC3D4 KFMIOP
    converts the specific load in % of torque, practically does the job inverse of the KFMIRL
    this value is used for other functions of the ECU that they have to think and/or act on the pair, such as the ESP, the DSG etc.
    ? this to save computational work
    16-bit
    size 11x16
    x = value * 0,023438 = % load air specific
    y = value * 0,25 = g/min
    z = value * 0,001526 = % torque with respect to the maximum

    1C959C KFMIOPS
    should be the same as the address of the KFMIRLS

    if we modify the KFMIRL ? of obligation to reflect changes in KFMIOP, worth the chance? interventions do not correct of the systems based on the couple
    in other words, the KFMIOP must be the inverse of the KFMIRL, at least in the area of high
    also ? needless to take a specific load in the KFMIRL beyond a certain threshold, why? the axis of the KFMIOP the limit to its maximum value
    so if you want to push the map over an increase in the basis you need to change the axes of the above, but there? introduces complications since? there are other maps of important use to the axis, the specific load and it is necessary to intervene in those resizing and reinterpolando values (we will discuss later)

    now let's see the maps that could be limiting factors for the specific load, or pressure, or that may give errors

    1C4696 KFMLDMX
    the maximum flow mass air flow sensor for diagnosis, it may give an error, only change in this case
    16-bit +/-
    size 9x8
    x = value * 40 = g/min
    y = value * 0,024414 = % butterfly
    z = value * 0,1 = kg/h

    1CD2B6 KLDLUL
    the maximum deviation of the pressure turbo with respect to the request for diagnosis, to the max in order to avoid errors
    8-bit
    size 8x1
    x = value * 10 = hPa
    z = value * 5 = hPa
    breakpoint in the normal position, but the x +/-

    1CD538 KFTARX KFTARXB
    correction specific load as a function of the temperature of the inlet air, 2 consecutive
    16-bit
    size 10x12
    x = a * 0.75 - 48 = ?C air intake
    y = value * 0,25 = g/min
    z = value * 0,000031 = correction factor
    1CD9C5 breakpoint x 8-bit
    1C9480 breakpoint y in 16-bit

    1CD718 KFTARXZK
    variant of the previous one during the detonation of the engine
    the same conversions and breakpoint

    these three maps can be repeated with similar alternate in the same order

    1CD858 LDORXN
    the maximum specific load during an overboost error
    8-bit
    size 8x1
    x = value * 40 = g/min
    z = value * 0,75 = % specific load maximum
    1C9363 breakpoint x 8-bit

    1CD860 LDPBN
    limiter pressure turbo
    8-bit
    size 8x1
    x = value * 40 = g/min
    z = value * 10 = hPa pressure max turbo
    the same breakpoint of the previous

    1CD87A KFFKRXTM
    limiter-specific load engine temperature
    8-bit
    size 4x4
    x = value * 1,25 = km/h
    y = a * 0.75 - 48 = ?C
    z = value * 0,007813 = correction factor specific load

    1CD89C KFLDHBN
    the maximum pressure ratio of the compressor
    is used to avoid overloading the turbo in some conditions
    depends on the map of operation of the compressor
    8-bit
    size 8x8
    x = a * 0.75 - 48 = ?C inlet air temperature engine
    y = value * 40 = g/min
    z = value * 0,015625 = pressure ratio turbo

    1CD8FE LDRXN
    limiter specific load
    16-bit
    size 16x1
    x = value * 0,25 = g/min
    z = value * 0,023438 = load % specific

    1CD940 LDRXNZK
    variant of the previous detonation
    the same conversions

    these two can be repeated with similar, not sure if the alternate or no
    however, it would seem that only the first variant is used by the ECU

    for basic changes, in fact, it would be enough to just increase the LDRXN as the KFMIRL requires gi? a load more? the top, and the other described if necessary

    this ? pi? whether or not the theory
    with regard to the practice, as soon as I have time, I try a couple of these changes, accompanied log diagnosis, with the aim of understanding the influence on the turbo pressure of these maps and to understand the factors that may limit

    the next episode ? theory of operation the PID of the wastegate for better control of the profile of the pressure trend

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    Mooltoooo interesting! I have a TDI and I would like to better understand how it works, the management of the MED9.1. I follow with interest!

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    very good really

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    in annex a guide for doing a log with vag com

    Guide log MED9.1.zip

    also useful for those who use the tools of diagnosis different
    describes the parameters that must normally be kept an eye on
    what is pi? important to find a complete list of the blocks of the measurement

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    great guys and great forum you these things I like very much

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    then today I made a first test
    first of all, the parameter in the diagnosis called engine load (engine load) ? the specific load
    for various problems are not able to make a log for? I have seen that in the load. arrived at 178 from the original, and in my file the LDRXN limits to 175
    in KFMIRL to the maximum ? required 200, and then I set the LDRXN to the same value as climbing a p?, also for safety, I increased a p? the LDPBN
    gi? cos? you feel a sharp improvement, I need to see what is the value of the specific load is cut, in theory, 191%, even if requested 200 to the axes of the KFMIOP
    however, after writing the ecu has happened a couple of strange things
    the fuel gauge ? went to zero, and then when I tried on the road slowly ? back to the correct value
    also, especially when I do the maneuver, I hear a strange noise coming from the steering wheel, as if something grattasse
    maybe nothing to do with it, for? I parked the car in the garage which he did not, I mapped it, and pull it out it started...
    any idea?

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    small update
    unfortunately in this period I had little time, also I just can not operate the flight recorder of the diagnosis, so no log for the moment
    at least I bought a car charger for the laptop cos? I see a p? the trend of the values
    then first of all no matter how much load you ask in the map, the axis of the KFMIOP limited to its maximum value, in my case 180%
    in an overboost of course, get a p? pi? high
    I have prepared another version by changing the axis to get to 200%, today the load and see what happens as there are other maps with the axis, the load
    for now I try not to change them, I want to understand if limited or no
    in particular, we have:

    1C7DBF KFZW
    map advance
    8-bit +/-
    size 12x16
    x = value * 0,023438 = load % specific
    y = value * 0,25 = g/min
    z = value * 0,75 = ? advance
    1C953C breakpoint x 16-bit
    1C94DE breakpoint y 16-bit
    are more? a, the first met? are variants, and the second related to the first according to the variable valve timing

    1C7FFF KFZWLB
    map advance with flap closed suction
    the same conversions and breakpoint
    it is the same as on the variations and the like

    1CC534 KFZWOP
    map advance for comparison
    need to determine how much load is used to generate the required torque on the basis of the advance
    in theory, should not be changed, but only reinterpolata if you change the axis to the KFMIOP
    it has two variants
    the same conversions of the previous
    1CC7F6 breakpoint x 16-bit
    1C94BC breakpoint y 16-bit

    in my case, the maps advance up to 190% of the load to the axis, while those for the comparison of 180%
    I want to know if these I limit the load

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    another test done
    now the specific load stops 186-188%, so I think there is a map that I am limiting myself, and not the axis of the advances
    I have to investigate better, maybe try to increase the maximum pressure ratio of the turbo
    anyway, I'm attaching my golds and a couple of mods done up to now if you want to give us a look

    ori and mod.rar

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    good study continues cos?!!!!

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    you can get the maf?

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